Why No Replay?

The Phillies had runners on first and second with two outs in the 11th inning when pinch-hitter Greg Dobbs hit a towering fly ball down the right field line.

Fair or foul?

Foul.

Manuel thought otherwise. He thought the ball could have cleared the foul pole and landed in foul territory, making it a three-run home run. He asked first base umpire Jim Joyce to take a look at instant replay.

“Can you look at it?” Manuel said.

“I got a really good look at it,” Joyce said.

Crew chief Derryl Cousins said later that while Manuel had the right to request a replay, they are not obligated to do it.

“I was positive the ball was foul,” Joyce explained. “If I would have had any doubt at all, first of all, I would have went to the crew. And then we would have made a decision to look at it at that point. I was very confident the ball was foul. I’ll be very honest with you. I thought about it after the call. But I was very confident that ball was foul. I even thought to myself, what am I going to see on the replay? It didn’t hit anything.”

Shane Victorino, who stood on first base when Dobbs hit the ball down the line, said he and first base coach Davey Lopes agreed with Joyce. The ball was foul, the at-bat continued and Dobbs struck out to end the inning.

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I watched the re-play, when I got home from the game. Supposedly the rule is, if it goes *over* the foul pole, it’s a HR. It definitely went OVER the foul pole! We were robbed!!!

Here’s my two cents. If the ball would have been a foot lower and hit the foul pole, it would have been a home run. What I saw was the ball dead center over the point on the pole. There were two outs so all runners would have been moving on contact, so to say Victorino saw it because he was on first base is hard to believe and for Lopes to see it correctly, he would have to be on the playing area, which he cannot be. Something doesn’t fly with that observation. Joyce could have been overruled by Cousins who would have made the ultimate decision to review or not. Charlie should have made a better case with Cousins in that he would have protested the game. The rule is vague in the crew chief’s decision to review it or not, but protesting it would have at least brought attention to the fact that directly affected the outcome of the game which is what a protest covers. Maybe Cousins heard comments on the field where he felt he was in the right not to review it. Remember this guy spent 20 yrs in the American League. I don’t know what kind of ego he has and that may be why Charlie backed off. I do know that he has a reputation for a very small strike zone. Here’s the only thing that would cause me to agree that it was foul. If you had a camera at home plate on the right field line and the ball was over the pole dead center, it was a home run and should have been reviewed and as Norma said we got robbed. If it was a camera angle closer to the dugout, then the angle of the shot would have changed so what was shown would directly appear that the ball was right of the pole and therefore ………a foul ball. Things like this should call attention to the weak decision the crew chief can make. Remember this is a Bud Selig rule.

Maybe MLB needs to have a rule like the NFL—where ALL plays inside 2 minutes and in overtime are automatically reviewed in the booth and they can call down to the field to reverse a call when appropriate. Otherwise we are at the mercy of the umpires, who can simply decline to review any play……………….

For example, MLB can automatically review every controversial play from the 9th inning on……………………

I know that doesn’t help on a blown call in the 2nd inning, but a team would still have time—7 innings—- to make up for it. Even if it happened in the 8th a team would still have one more turn at bat to overcome it………………………………..

Since you cannot assume the game will go into extra innings, the 9th inning is each team’s last at bat/last chance to win the game(this logic also carries through for each extra inning), so it makes sense to start the automatic review at this point…………..

I’d take it as a starting point at least because it’s better than they way it’s handled now, IMO.

And what the heck???……Joyce said he was *very confident* the ball was foul. And in the next breath, he admits he *thought about it after the call*! And *wondered what he’d see on replay*?! WTF!!!! Even more reason for the review! But God forbid any umpire might admit he made a wrong call.

I forgot to mention……The game was so boring, (til the bottom of the 9th) I was really surpirsed that no one started the Wave. LOL!

That’s exactly why the decision to review a controversial home run needs to be removed from the subjective views of the umpires, Norma.

That game was ugly!

5 hits in 13 innings.

20 strikeouts (including, I believe, 4 innings where all 3 outs were strikeouts) out of 39 total outs.

Top 4 in the order: 1 for 21 with 10 strikeouts (ok, they also had 3 walks). Thankfully that one hit was Howard’s bomb to tie it up.

Even with all that we still had our chances.

It’s unbelievable how situations find guys, isn’t it? Kendrick just gets called up and, bam, he’s right in the thick of it and ends up being the deciding factor in the game.

I know that Kendrick blew it —like we all knew he would (I hate to be unsupportive but come on). However, this is not all on him. I mean, there is a reason he was in AAA, right? The Phils are the ones who called him up and put him in the position to lose the game in the first place. He simply held up his end of the bargain by doing what he does. No surprise there.

Manuel says they wanted a guy that could throw innings. I’d prefer a guy who can get the other team out.

That’s exactly why the decision to review a controversial home run needs to be removed from the subjective views of the umpires, Norma.

That game was ugly!

5 hits in 13 innings.

20 strikeouts (including, I believe, 4 innings where all 3 outs were strikeouts) out of 39 total outs.

Top 4 in the order: 1 for 21 with 10 strikeouts (ok, they also had 3 walks). Thankfully that one hit was Howard’s bomb to tie it up.

Even with all that we still had our chances.

It’s unbelievable how situations find guys, isn’t it? Kendrick just gets called up and, bam, he’s right in the thick of it and ends up being the deciding factor in the game.

I know that Kendrick blew it —like we all knew he would (I hate to be unsupportive but come on). However, this is not all on him. I mean, there is a reason he was in AAA, right? The Phils are the ones who called him up and put him in the position to lose the game in the first place. He simply held up his end of the bargain by doing what he does. No surprise there.

Manuel says they wanted a guy that could throw innings. I’d prefer a guy who can get the other team out.

A couple of days ago, Mitch Williams said he didn’ t think the schedule for inner-league play was fair to the Phillies. Having to play all of the AL’s best teams. I agree. But…..This is the test! If we can’t beat these guys, we have no prayer of a repeat.

I freeze framed the video and posted it on my site – if the pole were higher, the ball would have hit it…that’s a fair ball. http://philliesphollowers.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/06/a_lot_of_ks_and_a_foul_ball.html
I am disgusted that the umpire refused to look at the replay. Will there ever be consequences to these guys screwing things up? SO frustrating.

Jenn
http://philliesphollowers.mlblogs.com

If instant replay is to remove doubt, how can the person creating the doubt decide to use it or not to use it? It would seem that the umpire involved in this would welcome instant replay so as to vindicate his decision. It is a win-win for him. If he utilizes a tool available to him and the result is different than his call, he wins because he used the tool. If the replay confirms his initial decision, he wins. After reading all this decisions overturned in games so far this year, I got the impression that it was mandatory to use instant replay in close games. How wrong I was.

Ahhh note to Bud Selig, great replay rule, now we need a new rule on an appeal directly to the MLB control center in New York!

How can these umps have not replayed this is a crime. That’s what the technology is there for, if it’s in question it should be reviewed!

There’s a new Phillies fan’s magazine out, get it while it’s hot!

http://magcloud.com/browse/Issue/21148

Rich http://www.fightinphillies.com

pherrisphain…..The crew chief has the sole right to decide to replay or not. Joyce, should have *manned up*, and admitted he wasn’t as positive as he thought. Maybe then, Cousins, would have made the right decision.

Rich….Thanks for the info on the new Phillies mag! Do you know if it will be sold at CBP, or newstands?

I dodn’t understand why the home plate umpire denieed Charlie’s request for a replay. I thought the reason why MLB has a repaly system is to get the call right. Even if they went and looked at it, and they came out and they called it foul, that would be fine with me becasue at least they looked at it. What would it hurt to just look at the replay and make sure. That’s all.

I still don’t understand why the umpire didn’t use it. If the MLB is going to have this “tool” for this type of situation why not use it?!! Even if the call is the same, foul ball, at least it seems a bit more “valid”.

Overall I thought it was a great game. Real good pitchers duel. I know that sometimes not as exciting to watch as an offensive duel, but it was really encouraging to see how well Blanton pitched. Kendrick is a puzzle. He was great in his first inning of relief, but as we know he lost the game in his 2nd inning of relief. I know he’s not a relief pitcher, but the fact the that his pitches were all other the place doesn’t give me much confidence in him. Also not sure how many RISP the Phils left in extra innings, but I think they had a few chances to win the game, but couldn’t score :-(

Hopefully young Bastardo can give us a “W” tonight. Plus Dice K has been struggling of late. GO PHILS!!

Greg Dobbs may or may not have hit a home run to win this big game. (Aren’t they all!) It would have been an easy review. You put a ruler on the fair pole and see if it goes right or left. Isn’t that why they made this ruling……….for plays just like that? Umpires have too much ego invested in these games. When they’re at their best, they’re invisible!

Greg Dobbs may or may not have hit a home run to win this big game. (Aren’t they all!) It would have been an easy review. You put a ruler on the fair pole and see if it goes right or left. Isn’t that why they made this ruling……….for plays just like that? Umpires have too much ego invested in these games. When they’re at their best, they’re invisible!

Ok, Kendrick goes back down but they bring up yet another lefty?? Can someone tell me how Taschner is still up & even in the big leagues at all and a guy like Mike Koplove can not get called back up. Do yourself a favor & look up Koplove’s career MAJOR LEAGUE and then this years stats at Lehigh Valley (0.98 era) and tell me how this is possible?? I sometimes don’t understand the decisions these “baseball people” make. Is this about money??

I just got home after being in enemy territory (NE) for the weekend at a wedding. We were all in the hotel bar watching the game (good timing for the wedding because we could watch the games on the Bosox channel) and we couldn’t tell. The sound was off and we all figured that it couldn’t have been fair by the reaction of the phans in right field because they hardly reacted to it..
When Kendrick came in we were all confused about who it was because we didn’t know about Eyre being on the DL.

We brought all this upon ourselves when we booed Selig during the trophy ceremony after game #5 of the WS last year. Revenge is the best medicine for a hurt ego and worldwide humiliation. I’m not normally a conspiracy theorist but there have been quite a few calls that have gone against the Phils, more than enough to make me notice them. Selig has obviously told all the umps to call everything close against the Phils.

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