Phils to Look at Pedro Martinez

martinez 0706.jpgHow thin is the market for starting pitching?

The Phillies are going to watch Pedro Martinez throw today or tomorrow in the Dominican Republic after Ruben Amaro Jr. said earlier this season they had no interest in him, a team source confirmed. Why? Hey, why not? The Phillies are covering their bases in case Martinez has enough life left in his arm to help the Phillies this season.

This visit does not mean the Phillies are going to sign Martinez. It just means they are going to watch him throw. Martinez threw for a few teams last month. ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reported that “at least several teams walked away from Pedro Martinez’s throwing session unimpressed and uninterested in signing him.” The Los Angeles Times reported in June the Angels lost interest in Martinez after they watched him throw and his fastball most often clocked in the 85 mph range.

But ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark wrote Friday that an executive disputed reports that Martinez was utterly unimpressive. “We didn’t know what we were going to get,” the executive told Stark. “But it was a decent workout. We weren’t expecting to see the 1997 Pedro. But for a workout, we thought he was in pretty good shape, and he threw the ball reasonably well.”

Reports in April had Martinez seeking a $5 million contract, which is much more than the Phillies were willing to pay a few months ago. If he signed a prorated contract that would be about $2.5 million, plus incentives, which still seems steep for somebody who went 5-6 with a 5.61 ERA last season with the Mets.

Update (11:45 a.m.): Amaro on Martinez: “We are trying to explore all possible options as we try to improve our club.”

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God help us all. As has been said in other blogs on this subject (you’re slow today Todd) Kofax is hard up for cash, and Bob Gibson is going to be at teh all star game, why not talk to them? Rather then this 37 year old washed up HoFer to be, I’d rather bring up one of our AAA or AA prospects. They won’t do any worse and will be our future. If you don’t like Lopez (a 15 game winner in the past who’s coming off an injury) then how about Carlos, Carpenter, Savery, Kendrick, Bastardo (when he’s off the DL) Drabek, etc. It’s not as if we’re short of arms to try. Now if they can find a real number 1 or 2 pitcher without giving up the entire farm, thats a different issue

Here’s some stats to chew on while thinking of why we dont’ need Pedro. These are our SP prospects. Forget the w-l, but look at IP and bb/k. These guys are pitching into the 7th and have very good control it seems. I’m sure one or more of them can pitch as well as Pedro can right now, will cost less, and help next year as well. (note I didnt include Bastardo as he’s bounced around so much and been both SP and RP that his stats are not relevent)

AAA prospects

Kendrick: 5-5, 3.46 era, 96.1 ip, 29/47 BB/K, 1.26 WHIP
Lehr: 11-3, 3.43 era, 94.1 ip, 23/46 BB/K, 1.13 WHIP
Carpenter: 7-2, 3.06 era, 94 IP, 29/67 BB/K, 1.29 WHIP
Carrasco: 5-7, 4.70 era, 92 IP, 27/88 BB/K, 1.37 WHIP
Carrasco (last 4 starts) 4-0, 25.2 IP, 8/21 BB/K,
Lopez: 5-4, 3.91 era, 71.1 ip, 13/52 BB/K, 1.35 WHIP

AA prospects

Worley: 5-5, 3.59 ERA, 95.1 IP, 31/62 BB/K, 1.19 WHIP
Savery: 11-1, 3.34 era, 91.2 ip, 41/62 BB/K, 1.32 WHIP
Drabek: 5-0, 2.72 era, 39.2 IP, 16/30 BB/K, 1.29 WHIP (incl. 1 game in relief)

Low Level prospects

Yohan Flande: 7-1, 2.52 era, 82 ip, 24/67 BB/K, 1.17 WHIP
Michael Cisco: 5-1 2.60 era, 52 ip, 11/37 BB/K, 1.10 WHIP
Drew Naylor: 5-6 4.11 era, 87.2 ip, 20/64 BB/K, 1.27 WHIP
Tyler Cloyd 7-3, 3.05 era, 88.2 ip, 19/77 BB/K, 1.23 WHIP
Jason Knapp: 2-6 3.50 era, 79.2 ip, 35/106 BB/K, 1.13 WHIP

Even when Pedro was on in the last couple of years, he was no more than a 5 inning pitcher, which translates to being a bullpen killer. I can’t imagine him getting his stuff ready anytime soon, and then how many innings can he go?

No thanks.

f-i-j, the problem is that most of the pitchers you listed, with the exception of Kendrick, Lopez, and possibly Carrasco and Carpenter, need more seasoning in the minor leagues before they are ready. Bringing them up now would hurt their development.

The answer, of course, is anything but Pedro Martinez (look at how fat he has gotten).

I agree that the majority of them would benifit from at least one more year in minors (those in low level need at least 2-3 more years) but the point is that we have alternatives without signing pedro. He doesn’t give us anything that the AAA or AA prospects don’t give us. I think most of them are able to pitch in the big leagues if we need. Unlike posistion players (who face a totally different calaiber of pitching) pitchers come up at an advantage as no one knows their stuff . What we risk hurting is their confidence and if the coaches can’t address this in advance (don’t worry if you get creamed, we won’t hold it against you. You aren’t supposed to be ready yet, or you’d have made the team in the spring) they should look for a new job. SO far our rookies (including Happ) are a combined: 10-4, 122.5 ip, 4.04 era, 46/85 bb/k not a bad showing at all

AAA Prospects (as reported in a previous comment)
“Lehr: 11-3, 3.43 era, 94.1 ip, 23/46 BB/K, 1.13 WHIP”

Justin Lehr is no longer pitching in AAA for the Phillies. He was dealt to the Louisville Bats in May. He was 5-2 with the Ironpigs and is 6-1 with Louisville.

Thanks for the update. Is he still our property then? On the pigs site he apears as 11-3 BTW

Take a DEEP breath everyone. They are only going to scout him. Jeez. I’d be pissed if they didn’t at least scout him and know 100% whether he can help or not. I doubt very much they will sign him. But it never hurts to look.

I’m with f-i-j, I’d rather roll the dice with spot starts from Savery, Carassco, Carpenter or even Drabek and see what they do. There may be a Kendrick , Bystrom or Walk in the mix. Looking at Pedro is fine, but signing him to wind up on the disabled list in a month, is a waste of money.

BTW: I hope all you people in teh US had a great 4th of July!! the phils beating the Mutts sure helped I know

Carlos didn’t impress me in spring training. I wonder if he has the mental makeup for the big leagues. I also don’t want to rush any of our young guys. Pitching is SUCH a mental thing as well as physical. You can do real, lasting damage to a guy by rushing him along before he is ready.

Lopez pitched well against the Mets. The guy has Big League experience. They said he throws a sinker, which is perfect fro pitching at CBP. His fast ball isn’t really fast but it seemed to have a lot of movement on it. I’d like to see Lopez succeed, because it fits in with the Phils winning formula: pick up a player whose team has given up on him, give him support and a chance to prove himself, and reap the benefits.

I think that some team should give Pedro one last chance not only because he is capable of a few quality innings, but he could be essential in teaching the young pitchers to be leaders in the majors. Pedro is asking a bit much, but maybe they can get him to agree a stay healthy clause in that 5M contact if he doesn’t pitch in a said number of games then he gets only a percentage of the contract that way they are not left paying a pitcher that is injured. The future pitching prospects mentioned above could perhaps be groomed by a seasoned veteran who is destined for Cooperstown.

I think that some team should give Pedro one last chance not only because he is capable of a few quality innings, but he could be essential in teaching the young pitchers to be leaders in the majors. Pedro is asking a bit much, but maybe they can get him to agree a stay healthy clause in that 5M contact if he doesn’t pitch in a said number of games then he gets only a percentage of the contract that way they are not left paying a pitcher that is injured. The future pitching prospects mentioned above could perhaps be groomed by a seasoned veteran who is destined for Cooperstown.

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