Roy, Roy, Roy, Pedro, Pedro, Pedro

halladay.jpgGuess what the talk is in St. Louis?

Pedro Martinez, who will be in Philadelphia tonight to take a physical tomorrow, and Roy Halladay, who sounds more and more like he wants to be traded to get a chance to play baseball in October.

“It’s tough,” Halladay said. “I’m somewhere I enjoy being. I’ve spent my entire career here. I think there’s a lot that goes into it. But I think as a player there is that will to win and that will to do it in October. And basically that’s all this has been about. I would like that chance. I’m not saying it won’t be Toronto. It’s what’s going to be best for the organization, and are we going to be able to do that?”

Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said he has no plans to talk to Halladay, who has a complete no-trade clause.

“I don’t do that,” he said. “I can’t do that. I think that’s kind of out of line.”

But while Manuel is reluctant to talk about Halladay — oh, those blasted tampering rules! — the Phillies All-Stars in St. Louis made no bones they would love to have him in a Phillies uniform. But at what price? Phillies managament is trying to walk the fine line between going for broke and mortgaging the future for something that is not guaranteed.

“I understand all that,” Jayson Werth said. “We won last year and we pretty much have the same team this year. If you were ever going to sell the farm I think now would be the time. But that’s just me speaking who has a short window of a career. Ruben (Amaro Jr.) and those guys are going to be there for a long time. It’s a lot to leverage, I know. But I think we’re definitely in a situation where if we did go for it, it could pay off.”

“I’m good with trying to win now,” Ryan Howard said. “That’s just me. Not to try to upstage anybody or anything in the front office. Obviously, they’re going to make that decision. Whatever decision it is, when the dust settles, we live with it, we go on and we play. Hopefully, that’s an addition we take. If not, we’ve still got to go out there and play. But I think if you ask everybody on this team right now, you would want to try to win now because you never know when you’re going to get another chance. For a guy like Raul (Ibanez) … last year a guy like (Matt) Stairs, Geoff Jenkins and Jamie Moyer. Jamie has been in this league for 20-some-odd years now. And that was his first trip to the World Series. Not his first World Series win. His first trip. So you never know. In this game as a player everybody’s mindset is trying to go out there and try to win now because you never know what’s going to happen.”

“As a player you try not to play GM because you don’t know exactly what’s going on,” Chase Utley said. Who’s available. Who’s not available. I do think we have something special going on right now in Philadelphia. We have a lot of players in their prime. So now is a good time to win.”


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Did anyone else notice the underlining message in Werth’s comment? “Ruben (Amaro Jr.) and those guys are going to be there for a long time” -is Werth going soewhere soon? Could the fact that Werth is a FA after next year (the same year Halladay’s contract is up) mean anything? Could he be hinting that he’s not planning on resigning with the Phils?

“Ruben Amaro and those guys” meaning the front office, who have long term considerations, as opposed to himself, who, as a ballplayer with a small window to play the game, of course would want to win now. You’re reading too much into it.

jefzahav: I do think you are reading too much in Werth’s comments. Werth only meant that as a player he won’t be around for the next 10 years but management will. Ruben Amaro, Jr., could be the GM for the next 20 years. Players come and go, but management tends to outlast player turnaround. And by the way the word is “re-signing” (to sign again), not “resigning,” which means leaving your job!

I agree with phylan, don’t read that much into it.

I think this is very interesting because prior to this all I have read is Halladay saying he wanted to stay with the BJs. I like the fact he is thinking more about what it would mean to get to Oct. And ya gotta think, if that is a major consideration for him, then of the teams with the abilty to make the deal, the Phillies are best positioned for that.

Werth & Howard both sound like they’re trying to send Ruben a telepathic msg to sign Halladay. They know their window to win another WS with this team could be limited. Also if playing in Oct. is a major consideration for him the Phils could be in the drivers seat to get him. Not sure what other teams in contention a vying (doubt Toronto would want to send him to a team in their division i.e. Boston, NY).

Halladay will not be a Phillie. He won’t be traded anywhere, until next year. By then who knows who could have the firepower to acquire him. The Jays are doing this to appease him. This could benefit the Phils because they will actually see how good Drabek is, and be glad they kept the younger guy for cheaper. I’m deducing this from the fact that not one offer has been reported from any organization. and everyone knows, typically word leaks when things of this nature start.

Thanks for correcting my typo. I hope you guys are right, and I’m wrong, though I believe that Werth understands that he’s gone after next year. Brown/Taylor will be ready, cheaper and needing a place in the OF. Since they play corner, and Ibanez is still here, logic suggests Werth’s the logical man out.

ryanhowardisbetterthanyou, you keep saying this, but every credible report has indicated that Amaro is in regular contact with Ricciardi trying to get a deal done. It’s certainly not a sure thing, but the chance is greater than zero.

phylan: please link me at least 2 credible reports that show Amaro is in regular contact with Ricciardi trying to get a deal done. I have heard nothing of the sort, nor are we even on the cusp of knowing what specific players are being targeted. so, until then, you’re post is invalid.

go to, click on Phillies to filter, and scroll down as much as you want

phylan: since when is a credible report? it has the name RUMORS in their domiain name, doesnt that tell you something? These are random bloggers, not one name is even someone who works for a newspaper or even Plus, you’ve given me a link to ONE site. Now I’ll let you in on MY CREDIBLE REPORT. Randy Miller, columnist for Courier Times, said on air yesterday the Phils do not want to pay Halladays remaining contract for this year. They have no problem paying it next year because Myers comes off the books. So, see I was right about the entire situation. and Phylan, once again you look like the class clown.

reclinergm has a great post up right detailing the 14 trades teams made for “Aces” in the last decade or so, and how those trades worked out for the team in Phillies position (giving up the prospects)

He does indeed and it shows that these kind of trades are pretty much hit or miss. He lists one here the “cant miss” pitching prospect missed and a few where the prospects turned into All Stars, but the ace received provided the goods wanted. I don’t thinkg Ryanetc is correct. First of all the writer he quotes is a nobody, and secondly, if it was true, Rube would have come out and said we’re not going after Halladay. The money shouldn’t be a problem as the Phils aren’t paying Myers salary this year anyway, that’s what insurance is for.

well well well, looks like someone here was dead on with his prediction that Halladay wouldnt be a Phillie. :::pats self on back:::

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