Making Mariano Work

rivera 1029.jpgThe Phillies had a chance to take a 2-0 stranglehold over the New York Yankees in the World Series, but they left Yankee Stadium last night with a split instead.

They felt pretty good about that, and they even felt good about the fact they had some success against Yankees closer Mariano Rivera in the eighth and ninth innings. They made Rivera throw 39 pitches as he allowed two hits and a walk in two innings, which meant a few hitters got pretty good looks at him.

“We felt pretty good up there,” said Jimmy Rollins, who worked a one-out walk in the eighth. “That’s always the question mark, what is he going to look like … and I think we saw some things.”

Shane Victorino followed with a single to put runners on first and second. Chase Utley grounded into an inning-ending double play, which left Charlie Manuel steamed after the game because he said replay showed Utley beat the throw. I haven’t seen the replay to know either way, but Utley also said he was told he was safe. But like Rollins, Utley thought some good could come from seeing Rivera last night.

“I think so,” he said. “We don’t really have the opportunity to face him at all because he’s in the American League.  The more you face him the more comfortable you can get off him.”

Of course, not that the Phillies want a few more cracks at Rivera in late-inning comebacks.

“That’s a guy you obviously don’t want to see a whole lot,” Ryan Howard said. “You’d like to keep him in the bullpen as much as possible.”

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Mariano is still pretty good but he isn’t sawing off bats anymore with his cutter like he used to. They showed last night that they can get to him. But the best option is to just not give him a chance. Score early and often. They will at home.

Really thought they might get to Mariano especially in the 8th inning. J-Rolls @bat was excellent!

Let’s hope once again Hamels is back to ’08 form or at least can give you 6 innings.

Wonder if we should be concerned that Pedro said he was “under the weather” and that Dobbs got sent home w/the flu???

GO PHILS!

pherrisphain: Martinez pitched an excellent game as did Burnett. Unfortunately he didn’t get the run support. Depending on tomorrow night’s outcome will probably determine Sunday’s starter which could be Happ/Blanton/Lee.

I hope this ends the Martinez fixation. At least if Happ had pitched, he would have gained the experience and if he had lost, as Martinez did, the Phillies would have been no worse for the wear.

I was expecting a split. We’re fine. But one complaint……
WHY, in the dugout, did Charlie ask Pedro if he was fine? Of course Pedro’s going to say “yes”! Any of our guys would. Then Pedro admited he wasn’t feeling great? Not a smart move, by either of them.

I don’t know why you think it’s a ‘fixation’. Pedro has pitched well enough to have already won two postseason games. They have scored a total of 2 runs for him in those games. If Pedro got any run support we would have swept the Dodgers and we would be up 2-0 in the WS.

There was nothing wrong with Pedro’s performance. He was taken deep into counts too many times, and was given the green light to pitch in the 7th.

Second game we should have won but again, no run support.
Poor umpiring calls with Rivera on the mound.

Fixation? No, there are two groups of people – those who respect the quality of Pedro’s work, and those who don’t. Nothing surprising about the former category. The bigger question is, why the hate from those who fall into the latter category?

scottash There are two groups of people: those with normal intelligence and the idiots. You obviously fall into the latter group.

No one has answered the question, would the Phillies have been any worse off if Happ had started rather than Martinez? Of course they would not have been as indicated by the result. As they say hind sight is perfect. I just see them bringing Martinez back as if they have learned nothing from the Moyer experience. Imagine that a pitching staff including Moyer and Martinez a/k/a the Geriatrics.

pherrisphain: I was once told to never argue with an idiot, as they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. I obviously failed to heed that advice. Congratulations, you “win.”

To answer pherrisphain:

1) Happ hasn’t started since the NLDS. Martinez has started more recently.

2)Martinez kept the Phils close. if the Yankees had blown out an inexperienced Happ, this would have meant that Martinez would probably be used in game 4 or 6 instead of Happ/Blanton after over 3 weeks after not pitching, instead of 12 days.

3) If Happ started and had to be pulled early, that’s one less long reliever available, as Martinez hasn’t relieved all year.

4) If Happ had started, then the Yankees would have faced 3 lefties in a row , which might have helped the Yankees in game 3 against Hamels

To answer pherrisphain:

1) Happ hasn’t started since the NLDS. Martinez has started more recently.

2)Martinez kept the Phils close. if the Yankees had blown out an inexperienced Happ, this would have meant that Martinez would probably be used in game 4 or 6 instead of Happ/Blanton after over 3 weeks after not pitching, instead of 12 days.

3) If Happ started and had to be pulled early, that’s one less long reliever available, as Martinez hasn’t relieved all year.

4) If Happ had started, then the Yankees would have faced 3 lefties in a row , which might have helped the Yankees in game 3 against Hamels

scottash Why the hate?

pherrisphain asks ‘Why the hate?’
You called the guy an idiot, you idiot. Looks like it’s the return of the myopic blowhard.

phan52 No, I pose a question and I am accused of being hateful. Can you your pea brain comprehend that?

You didn’t ask a question. You posed a hypothetical…after the fact. It makes no sense to pose that in hindsight, therefore everybody ignored it. And rightfully so.
…pea brain, indeed…

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