Doc Will Get His Chances

Roy HalladayRoy Halladay has been one of the best pitchers in baseball for more than a decade, so he has earned the right to pitch through his problems, if he can.

The Phillies made that clear today at Citizens Bank Park, where Ruben Amaro Jr. said Halladay gets as long as he needs to correct himself, and Charlie Manuel said he is completely committed to his former ace.

Manuel offered an example of just how long his leash can be.

“You guys used to get on me about Brad Lidge,” he said, referring to Lidge’s 2009 season when he went 0-8 with a 7.21 ERA and 11 blown saves. “I used to look down there, and to me Brad Lidge was probably the best I had. If I was going to lose the game it was going to be Brad Lidge. I was committed to Brad Lidge. If I commit to you then I commit to you. And whatever happens is going to happen. That’s kind of how I look at it.”

Halladay has a ghastly 14.73 ERA through two starts, which follows struggles in Spring Training and struggles in 2012. He has allowed 12 hits, 12 runs, six walks, three home runs, one hit batter, two wild pitches and struck out 12 in just 7 1/3 innings this season.

Amaro and Manuel said they never considered holding back Halladay, having him pitch in extended Spring Training games before he was better prepared to pitch in the Phillies rotation. To have him pitch extended Spring Training games, the Phillies would have needed to place him on the disabled list, but Amaro said Halladay is not injured.

In fact, he said Halladay has not been on the team’s daily injury report once this year.

“Roy felt he was physically ready to go,” Amaro said. “There wasn’t anything real alarming.”

“Roy has earned the right to tell us how he feels, and how he wants to go about certain things when it comes to his routine and his pitching and things like that,” Manuel added. “We never once thought about shutting him down or nothing. I can tell you that. You know something else? Shutting him down ain’t the right way, either. I don’t see no way in the world, if he’s healthy and everything like that, we shut him down.”


Any true Phillies Fan is rooting for Doc to get things worked out and also to feel better. Even if he doesn’t have the fastball he once had he still can be a veryy good and effective pitcher.Location and movement are so much more important then be able to be a flame thrower.Does having a great fastball help ? Sure it does,but it’s not the be all end all.I am more then a little concerned .

That pretty much sums up why Charlie Manuel needs to go too.

He won’t make any roster changes.

And his reason for this brilliant, truly brilliant, strategy is: “whatever happens is going to happen”?


It’s beyond comprehensible that Manuel and Amaro haven’t even considered taken any action with Halladay, considering how out of breath the guy has looked in his two outings in the regular season, and even in spring training. And the whole command issue too.

They’re just gonna punt Halladay’s games or what?

Why not send the guy down to double-A ball and let him work on the mechanics for a month. He might figure out how to locate. If he doesn’t, the replacement pitcher won’t be worse.

I still think he’s hurt. You can’t just send him down, he would have to go on the DL. He insists he isn’t hurt, but he said that last year also.

Is Doc out of options?

Yep – let’s just up and fire the winningest manager in franchise history because the team played .500 ball last year and some of the pitchers aren’t starting off well.

I challenge you to find any big league manager that would send Roy Halladay to the minors after 2 starts. Tim Lincecum was horrible the entire season and they only put him in the pen at the very end.

Anyone would’ve won with the team that Manuel was given.

If anything, he’s constantly been outmatched in playoff series, where managing the bullpen and the rest of the team makes a difference.

During the regular season, it’s not that difficult with the roster Gillick gave Manuel.

So we defer to a manager because of what he did in the past and the manager, in turn defers to a player because of what the player did in the past? You can’t make this s**t up.

The issue is not deferring to past performance, the issue is in sample size. Lest we be reminded that in 06, 07, 08, 09, and 10 the Phillies went 0-2 to start the season. They made the postseason every year except 06. In 07 they were 4-11 through their first 15 games and won the division (albeit the Mets helped immensely towards the end). They played sub .500 ball in April in 06 and 07 and were only 2 games over .500 in 08. Lastly – every year that they’ve made the postseason they have either won the World Series or lost to the team that did (with the exception of 07 when they lost to the Rockies who didn’t lose until they ran into the Red Sox). My point is – let’s all relax with the doom and gloom (although it seems to be a popular concept) and enjoy the season.

Also – I’m sure the “any manager can win with this team” statement is exactly what the Miami Marlins said last year…

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There are 2 issues here. Doc deserves the chance to figure it out because 1) we have no one else to pitch in his place and 2) he is a future HoFer. However, not making changes because the manager is committed is stupid. Its like not playing Ryan in ’06 because Thorpe came off DL, etc. If a player no longer has it, or if there is a better option, then you go with the best you have. On that note, why isn’t Galvis playing LF instead of N(othing to offer)ix?

Why stop at Doc who is only a presumptive HOFer? Let’s ask Steve Carlton if he wants to come back to eat a few innings. After all, Carlton is a HOFer. But the sad question is, what alternative do the Phillies have?

I’m wondering at what point an ‘ace’ becomes a former ace like Zolecki referred to Doc in his second paragraph? Who determines this ‘ace’ status, baseball writers like Todd?

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