Manuel: Players Can’t Give Up

Manuel on Brown, Werth and MoreCharlie Manuel had just watched the Phillies turn a four-run deficit into a 10-0 blowout loss this evening at Citizens Bank Park.

He had something to say about it.

“You can get down if you’re not careful,” he said. “That’s what you don’t want. You’ve got to stay together. You’ve got to keep plugging at it. You’ve got to grind it out. Actually, that’s how you build heart and strength about your team. That’s how you become a team. A lot of times in the second half you notice we play a lot better baseball. And that’s because we stay together and we don’t give up and quit and things like that. Almost every team goes through periods where they’re down. If you’re not careful you will get depressed and you will forget about the main object and that’s winning and you give in and you quit. But if you’re good and you’ve got heart and you want to win and you want to try, just stay together. It’s not how many times you get knocked down – I think Vince Lombardi said it – it’s how many times you get back up. When you’re struggling that’s when you really stay together.”

It sounded like he was saying the Phillies are showing those tendencies, getting down, getting depressed, giving up.

“I’m not saying that we’re quitting,” he said. “Not at all. I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is we’re in that period right now where we start doubting ourselves instead of just keep firing. You stay aggressive and keep working on trying to find a good ball to hit and not try to overdo it. Just stay within yourself and do something. Just try to score one run. Do something. Just keep going. Never get down. Play 27 outs. A lot of times when you’re young and there’s not a lot of expectation for them they’ll keep playing and you’ll say, ‘Hey, they hustle. They battle. They keep playing.’ A lot of times when you’ve got a lot of experience and things get tough you kind of get in position because of how long you’ve played and how many years you’ve been in the game that you kind of look up and see the score and you say, ‘It’s going to be hard for us to win.’ That’s kind of a negative. Say we’re talking about hitting. You don’t give no at-bats away. I’m not going 0-for-4. If I’m 0-for-2 or 0-for-3 the last time I’m up I want 1-for-4 or 1-for-3. I don’t care what the score is. You stay together and you keep fighting. And that’s what you’ve got to do. But if you don’t well that’s kind of sending a message of what kind of player that you are. That’s how I look at it. Like I said, I played for 20 years. I’ve been on a lot of teams. Your character is revealed. They say the game builds character. I don’t know about building, but it’ll definitely reveal your character. Does that makes sense? And that’s kind of what you see. You’ve got to fight to really not go there. Once that you get there you’ve got to do some real hard searching to get back to where you should be and things. That’s what I believe.”

A couple facts:

  • The Phillies have been shut out six times in 43 games. They were shut out six times last season.
  • They have scored two or fewer runs in 17 games. Only the Marlins (26) and Nationals (20) have had more punchless nights.
  • They have allowed 10 or more runs six times to lead the Majors.
  • The bullpen has allowed a mind-blowing 25 of 52 (48 percent) base runners to score, easily the worst mark in baseball.


Those facts are the best reasons for firing Charlie right now. He has lost this team and has no chance of motivating or inspiring them. Under his “leadership” we are going nowhere. It’s time for a change!

If some of the players can’t motivate themselves and have given up, that’s on them! They’re grown adults. I thought Charlie’s comments were on spot. I don’t think that firing Charlie will inspire anyone, who may have given up on themselves.

That’s all Charlie ever says. The fact is that he is incapable of motivating the team anymore. They’ve heard all his platitudes many times over the tears. The Phillies have no fire in their bellies (too many players in peak earning years?) and Charlie is incapable of putting one there. It’s long past time for both he and Amaro to go.

These players have a couple million reasons each to me motivated to play better, even if losing 100-0. TIme to shake things up to remind them why they get paid. Yank someone in middle or inning from field for not hustling, in middle of at bat for same….do something to show that management cares, and expects these players to earn their salaries

It’s abundantly clear to everyone except management that the players have long since tuned out Cholly. Even when they show him during games, you virtually never see the players talking to him anymore. It’s ridiculous and embarrassing. Sandberg needs to take over yesterday and kick some ass. We need more of a Bowa-type manager now – someone with some fire, not someone with boring old platitiudes that fall on deaf ears.

yeah…because the Bowa years were so successful.

So…. Sandberg is a “kickass” type of manager? How do you know this? “The players have long since tuned out Cholly.” Really? I think Todd should take the stupidest post award from Pherris and give it to you……

Charlie is in the same situation Danny Ozark was. The talent is there, but not performing up to expectations. It took Dallas Green to get the job done. Charlie needs to be replaced. It’s not all his fault, but a different approach is needed. The players aren’t gelling into a unit. They are playing hard and are showing signs of pressing, trying to do too much to make things happen. This was apparent with Dom trying to stretch his hit into a triple. Was he safe? Depends on which replay angle you look at. The point is he should have trusted his team mate to knock him in from 2B, not go for 3.

If Brown slid into the bag correctly it wouldn’t have been an issue.
Whether Charlie has more talent than Ozark had is debatable, and my gut reaction would be to say Ozark’s team had more talent than this one.

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