If There’s A Bottom, This Has To Be It

Jake DiekmanThe Phillies didn’t need to say much in the visitors clubhouse following today’s 12-4 loss to the Tigers.

A few just offered a look.

It’s that look when the eyes open wide for a split second like, “Wow, can you believe that just happened?”

It did. The Phillies went 1-8 on the road against the Mets, Cardinals and Tigers. Their eight-game losing streak is their longest since an eight-game skid in Sept. 2011. It is their worst road trip of nine or more games since July 28-Aug. 6, 1995, when they went 1-8 against the Cubs, Braves and Reds.

“I’ve seen a lot, but I haven’t seen that,” said Jimmy Rollins, who has been with the team since 2000. “That was embarrassing. … If there’s a bottom, this has to be it. I can’t imagine things getting worse than they have this past week, culminating the way they did today.”

Rollins also offered his reasons for optimism. Read the above link for that. But Jonathan Papelbon isn’t nearly as cheery. He spoke a couple times yesterday, expressing his frustrations about the losing and the organization. He said if things don’t improve changes need to be made from top to bottom. I asked if Papelbon wants to be traded. He said no, he wants to remain in Philadelphia. But then he said if things continue this way, he doesn’t want to stick around. He said who would? You wonder what is going to happen there. I think both parties would welcome a trade, but it’s easier said than done. There doesn’t appear to be much of a market for Papelbon, and that could become a problem if the team keeps losing.

Michael Young said he hasn’t heard anything yet about a potential trade. And even though Rollins hasn’t been rumored to be traded, he said he would reject any proposals for now.

It was an interesting trip at the very least. It is hard to imagine the Phillies buying in any true capacity before Wednesday’s 4 p.m. deadline (i.e. giving up a top prospect to fill a void in the bullpen or outfield). It wouldn’t make much sense. But I’m just not sure who they can trade to retool for the future. I’m not sure how much value Young has. It sounds like Chase Utley isn’t going anywhere. And while the Phillies would trade Cliff Lee, I wonder what they can get in return. They already traded him once and didn’t get much back.

Papelbon mentioned the Red Sox from 2011. Theo Epstein and Terry Francona both left the organization following a 7-20 finish. They also ditched players like Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett and Papelbon. The Red Sox struggled last season, but they are now first in the American League East with the second-best record in baseball. Ruben Amaro Jr. has his work cut out for him, but if he can make the right moves the Phillies could bounce back relatively quickly. But that’s easier said than done, and the last couple years nothing has been easy.


Someone needs to show Papelbon the door. That negativity is disgusting especially whan he has contributed to the losing ways. Maybe his attitude has also contributed to a mediocre bullpen, who may have been looking to him for guidance? I will not shed a single tear if he’s traded.

Right on, Andrew.

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I agree with Pap’s message, but he was not the one to deliver it. As mentioned above, he hasn’t exactly been a great help this year. 31 hits, 10 ER, 4 HR, 5 blown saves? You don’t get to say “I didn’t come here for this” with those kinds of numbers. Actually, you never really get to say those words ever publicly – it will be hard if not impossible to live it down. I expect the team to pick it up some as they face weaker opponents – he better be coming with his A-game when that starts happening. Another blown save after those words and he’s toast.

Face it; we suck.
I’m canceling MLB. The Phils are atrocious and painful to watch. The fact that Amaro was even thinking of buying was laughable; What? So we can get into the one game playoff and lose.
He needs to listening to J Stroll for advise and hire good ball players, not friends for the shortstop.
Pap is a tool and needs to go curl up with his Glenn Beck books and his guns. Go hang with the Nuge.
They have to get rid of Howard. Over paid, under performing, and hurt – ALL THE TIME. If you can’t find an American league team to take just a part of his salary, eat it and show him the door. Over.
I’m just seething up here in the 700 Level. BOOOOOOO!!!!!

*stop listening to J Stroll.

Well that was the worst performance I have ever seen by the Fightins or in fact any team that I have ever saw. Living in SW Florida i saw the Detroit version by their broadcast crew. They seemed to show sincere sorrow for the Phils and kept talking about their injuries, very gracious. No need to Pontificate about the state of the Phils we all know they are horrible. One thing also is ruining MLB the Umpires, the arrogance and ineptitude are sickening. I am a Phils fan but how could the Ump throw out the best hitter in baseball with the bases loaded when the batter did not seem to do anything to embarrass him which the two pitches were clearly outside? Best was Big Poppies melt down!

How do you give up 8 runs on only 2 hits? When you have a bullpen with clowns like Jake Diekman and Luis Garcia, and the sloppiest defense in the NL, that’s how. The error by Susdorf was almost laughable. In fact, I did laugh. What else was there to do?

We all are pissed because We love our Phils? I an older person 66 have learned to respect every major league player now and throughout the games great history. This is something all of us must have dreamed of in our youth to be in the majors as we played catch with our dads! You all may be mad rightfully so but these bums as some will say have done something we never have or will. I have been blessed to see the greats Ted Williams, Jo DiMaggio, Yogi,Stan the Man, Sandy Koufax, Bob Feller, by boyhood Hero Mickey Mantle, and yes some Phils, Roberts, Curt Simmons, Granny Hamner, Richie, Dick Allen, Callison. I just wonder if our younger fans would boo those great athletes if they played today? These guys did it without steroids, no plane rides to the next which took hours by train, what they made in a year is probably about less than todays stars pay for one day! Forgive for not mentioning Jackie Robinson and the Say hey kid Mays.

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