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I never would have predicted that in November.
Back in November it appeared the Phillies and Madson were close to a four-year, $44 million extension. But the negotiations hit a snag (one side said they had a verbal agreement, the other side said they didn’t) and the Phillies decided to spend $6 million more to sign Jonathan Papelbon. Meanwhile, the closing opportunities for Madson dried up and instead of getting the monster pay day he hoped, he has to pitch in Cincinnati for one season before hitting the market again. That’s not exactly how Scott Boras planned it, but that’s the situation.
It will be a strange spring training without Madson and possibly Brad Lidge in the clubhouse. They were the final two pieces of the 2008 World Series bullpen. But there is still a chance Lidge is back. He remains unsigned, and the longer he is out there I think the chances improve the Phillies could sign him to a Minor League deal. Read Paul Hagen‘s story on Lidge here.
Hagen recently joined MLB.com after leaving the Daily News. He is an awesome addition to our staff. Hagen will be writing plenty of national stories, but he’ll get a chance to write his share of Phillies stories, too. That’s great for everybody. I actually meant to post this back in December, but … welcome aboard, Paul. Thrilled to have you on the team.
QUESTION: Are you happy this is finally over?
ROLLINS: Yes, I’m glad that it’s over. It’s good that it’s over for both parties. It’s an issue that’s been going on. Negotiations take time and both parties usually get a good idea where a finish line can be. It usually takes time to get there, but we got there.
QUESTION: Are you happy with the deal? You had asked for five years, and I also had heard you were unhappy with the pace of the negotiations.
ROLLINS: I never said that or even hinted toward that in any way. No, it’s not true. I wasn’t upset at the pace. I was glad it took a while because both sides were showing that they care. This is a business. There is a sports side of it and a business side of it, and the business side of it is always the most difficult part. Making sure that the numbers fit and the years fit and that both parties can be happy going forward is how business is. This is where we both sit and both parties feel comfortable going forward.
QUESTION: Do you feel you met the Phillies half way? You wanted five. They wanted three. But it sounds like the vesting option for the fourth year is easily attainable.
ROLLINS: That’s very accurate. The tough part is you’ve got to stick to your guns and they’ve got to stick to their guns. You negotiate. If I hadn’t started so high then we probably would have been looking at a two-year deal with a vesting option for three. People that understand business, they get it.
QUESTION: As long as you’re healthy you feel you will get that option?
Here is some random contract info, if you like to look at these types of things. Some of these — like Papelbon — you might have seen. Others you probably haven’t.
(in alphabetical order)
- Ryan Feierabend. Minor League contract for $17,000/mo. Agreement for Major League contract for $135,000. $495,000 in Majors. If not on 25-man roster by June 15, player will be released if requested.
- Kevin Frandsen. Minor League contract for $16,500/mo. Agreement for Major League contract for $100,000. $575,000 in Majors. Major League invitation to Spring Training.
- Pat Misch. Minor League contract for $18,000/mo. Agreement for Major League contract for $120,000. $470,000 in Majors. If not on 25-man roster by June 15, player will be released if requested. Player may sign with Korea or Taiwan team for $25,000; with Japan team for $50,000, if prior to Feb. 15; $75,000 if between Feb. 15 – March 31; $150,000 if after March 31. Major League invitation to Spring Training.
- Jonathan Papelbon. $50,000,058. $11,000,058 in 2012; $13,000,000 in 2013; $13,000,000 in 2014; and $13,000,000 in 2015. Vesting Option for $13,000,000 in 2016. Option vests if 55 games finished in 2015 or 100 games finished in 2014-2015 and NOT on the DL at the end of 2015 with right shoulder or elbow injury. Plus: $50,000 for All Star; $100,000 for World Series MVP; $50,000 for LCS MVP; $100,000 for Cy Young or Rolaids ($75,000-2nd; $50,000-3rd); $50,000 for Gold Glove. Limited no-trade provision.
- Scott Podsednik. Minor League contract for $17,000/mo. Agreement for Major League contract for $150,000. $750,000 in Majors. Plus: $25,000 for 200 plate appearances; $25,000 for 250 plate appearances; $25,000 for 300 plate appearances; $25,000 for 350 plate appearances. Plus: $25,000 for All Star ($15,000 selection); $50,000 for MVP; $25,000 for World Series MVP; $25,000 for LCS MVP; $25,000 for Silver Slugger; $25,000 for Gold Glove; $25,000 for Comeback Player of the Year. If not on 25-man roster by June 1, player will be released for 25-man spot on another team if requested. Major League invitation to Spring Training.
- Carlos Rivera. $78,250 in Minors. $480,000 in Majors.
- Brian Sanches. Minor League contract for $18,000/mo. Agreement for Major League contract for $120,000. $625,000 in Majors. Major League invitation to Spring Training.
- Brian Schneider. $800,000. Plus: $50,000 for 65 games; $50,000 for 75 games; $50,000 for 85 games; $50,000 for 95 games. Plus: $50,000 for All Star ($25,000 selection); $100,000 for MVP; $100,000 for World Series MVP; $50,000 for LCS MVP; $50,000 for Gold Glove.
- Raul Valdes. Minor League contract for $15,000/mo. Agreement for Major League contract for $100,000. $450,000 in Majors. Major League invitation to Spring Training.
Lots and lots of reaction about Papelbon’s four-year, $50 million deal.
My first reaction? Wow. That is a ton of money for a closer, considering the Phillies just finished a three-year, $37.5 million deal with Brad Lidge. Lots of risk there, and knowing the way pitcher’s break down (there is a reason Pat Gillick hated going longer than three years on pitchers) it wouldn’t surprise me to see this deal haunt them down the road (although Papelbon has never had surgery or been on the DL).
My second reaction? The Phillies got the best closer on the market.
Let’s address a few things that popped into my head as I read comments on Twitter, e-mail, Facebook, etc., since Friday:
- I heard no complaints when reports broke early last week the Phillies had reached an agreement on a four-year, $44 million deal with Ryan Madson. The difference between Madson and Papelbon is $6 million over four seasons. That’s nothing. It’s not going to prevent the Phillies from keeping Jimmy Rollins or signing Cole Hamels to a contract extension. It’s $6 million. When it came time last offseason to sign Cliff Lee or not, Phillies president David Montgomery stopped looking at the total committment and started looking at the difference between the two offers, which was roughly $10 million over five seasons. Montgomery stopped thinking $120 million and started thinking $10 million more and we have Cliff Lee. He pulled the trigger. I think the same happened here. Instead of $50 million it was $6 million more and we have the best closer on the market. And Papelbon was the best closer on the market. He has put up better numbers than Madson (and almost everybody not named Mariano Rivera) since the beginning of the 2007 season, and Papelbon was closing the entire time in the American League East. Those are some high leverage situations. Like Roy Halladay, Papelbon should find life a little better in the National League East.
- If you think four years, $44 million or four years, $50 million is too much for any closer, then what was the alternative? Francisco Rodriguez? Joe Nathan, who had Tommy John surgery and turns 37 later this month? Ruben Amaro Jr. thinks he might have future closers in Phillippe Aumont or Justin De Fratus, but they’re not ready right now. And the Phillies are trying to win now. It would be too much of a gamble with Halladay, Lee and Cole Hamels in the rotation. I understand it’s a lot of money for a guy that’s only going to pitch 60-70 innings every season, but those innings are important. Dallas Green once told me the closer might be the most important spot on the roster in today’s game because nothing is more demoralizing than blowing a ninth-inning lead. Sure, the Phillies survived Lidge’s disastrous 2009, but I’m not sure Phillies fans want to take that roller coaster ride again. I’m not sure the players want that again, either.
- One thing I really liked about Madson is that he seemed to be a great mentor to the younger pitchers in the bullpen. I’m not sure if Papelbon can fill that role or not, but it seems to me this bullpen is missing a good veteran presence. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Phillies bring back Lidge on a one-year deal, or somebody else who can help Mike Stutes, Antonio Bastardo, David Herndon, De Fratus, Aumont, Michael Schwimer, Joe Savery, etc., learn on the job.
- As soon as the season ended Amaro said he wanted a veteran closer for the bullpen. He budgeted for this. My only question now is how much left does he have to spend? So far he hasn’t addressed the offense, which he stressed in his postseason news conference. If the Phillies sign Jimmy Rollins and Michael Cuddyer, I think fans will be happy with that. If they only sign one, people naturally are going to wonder if that’s enough.
- I remember my first few years on the beat when fans were ripping the Phillies for not spending or doing enough. Now some are upset because they’re spending too much. Sometimes you have to take a risk. Is there a chance the move backfires? Oh, absolutely. There’s definitely a chance of that. But if I’m Amaro I’m not comfortable having Halladay, Lee and Hamels hand the ball to K-Rod, Nathan or a youngster the next season or two. And the first couple years of this deal are the most important while Halladay, Lee and Hamels are closer to their primes. Keep in mind Hamels becomes a free agent following next season, too. This could be the final season of the Big Three. You don’t want to waste a bunch of their wins with an unreliable closer.
Sources confirmed the Phillies reached an agreement on a four-year contract with free agent right-hander Jonathan Papelbon, who has spent his first seven seasons in the big leagues with the Boston Red Sox. The Phillies and Papelbon’s agents, Sam and Seth Levinson, are still finalizing the details of the contract, which is pending a physical.
The deal includes a fifth-year vesting option. CSNPhilly.com reports the deal approaches $50 million.
The agreement caps an interesting week. Talks between the Phillies and Ryan Madson’s agent Scott Boras ratcheted up Monday. There were multiple reports Tuesday the sides had reached an agreement on a four-year, $44 million deal, which Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. denied.
Talks between the Phillies and Madson fell apart and the Phillies finalized their deal for Papelbon.
The Phillies might sign a closer to a multiyear contact in the coming days.
It could be Ryan Madson.
But don’t rule out Jonathan Papelbon.
Sources said the Phillies and Madson’s agent Scott Boras never reached an agreement on a four-year, $44 million deal, which has been widely reported since yesterday. The sources said the parties continue to talk, but no deal is imminent.
While the Phillies have been talking to Boras about Madson, they also have been talking to Sam and Seth Levinson, who represent Papelbon. Ruben Amaro Jr. has said he wants a veteran closer in the bullpen next season, and Papelbon certainly fits the bill. He is a four-time All-Star with 219 career saves with the Boston Red Sox.
Sources confirmed tonight that talks between the Phillies and Ryan Madson have ratcheted up, although it is unknown if the sides are any closer to a deal. ESPN.com first reported the Phillies making a “strong push” to keep Madson. FOXSports.com cited a source saying the parties are “possibly nearing an agreement.”
Ruben Amaro Jr. does not discuss contract negotiations, but he said Saturday he cannot afford to be patient and let the free agency process drag deep into the winter. If that happens and Rollins and Madson ultimately sign elsewhere, they could find themselves without suitable replacements.
“If Jimmy and Ryan are not on our club, then we have to make sure we have the most potential choices,” he said. “We don’t want to let all of our options slip by, so we’re going to be aggressively patient, I guess.”
The Phillies also have some interest in free agent closers Jonathan Papelbon, Heath Bell and Joe Nathan should they get the feeling they can’t resign Madson at a price they’re comfortable with. Papelbon and Bell are represented by Seth and Sam Levinson, who have a good relationship with the Phillies. The Levinsons had four clients on the 2011 Phillies roster: Raul Ibanez, Placido Polanco, Shane Victorino and Ross Gload.